Subject: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri May 17, 2013 3:28 pm
Sim it imo
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Bounce
Govou_
Subject: NBA Offseason Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:07 pm
We'll see today if the playoff game is a 2 or 3 way tie. Westbrook takes the most blame for that.
Draft is in a week, so might as well slowly start working on mock drafts. Here's the order of teams drafting. (Are we doing just the 1st rd, or both? IMO just the 1st)
First Round:
1. Cleveland Cavaliers 2. Orlando Magic 3. Washington Wizards 4. Charlotte Bobcats 5. Phoenix Suns 6. New Orleans Pelicans 7. Sacramento Kings 8. Detroit Pistons 9. Minnesota Timberwolves 10. Portland Trail Blazers 11. Philadelphia 76ers 12. Oklahoma City Thunder 13. Dallas Mavericks 14. Utah Jazz 15. Milwaukee Bucks 16. Boston Celtics 17. Atlanta Hawks 18. Atlanta Hawks 19. Cleveland Cavaliers 20. Chicago Bulls 21. Utah Jazz 22. Brooklyn Nets 23. Indiana Pacers 24. New York Knicks 25. Los Angeles Clippers 26. Minnesota Timberwolves 27. Denver Nuggets 28. San Antonio Spurs 29. Oklahoma City Thunder 30. Phoenix Suns
Second Round:
31. Cleveland Cavaliers 32. Oklahoma City Thunder 33. Cleveland Cavaliers 34. Houston Rockets 35. Philadelphia 76ers 36. Sacramento Kings 37. Detroit Pistons 38. Washington Wizards 39. Portland Trail Blazers 40. Portland Trail Blazers 41. Memphis Grizzlies 42. Philadelphia 76ers 43. Milwaukee Bucks 44. Dallas Mavericks 45. Portland Trail Blazers 46. Utah Jazz 47. Atlanta Hawks 48. Los Angeles Lakers 49. Chicago Bulls 50. Atlanta Hawks 51. Orlando Magic 52. Minnesota Timberwolves 53. Indiana Pacers 54. Washington Wizards 55. Memphis Grizzlies 56. Detroit Pistons 57. Phoenix Suns 58. San Antonio Spurs 59. Minnesota Timberwolves 60. Memphis Grizzlies
Copy/pasting some experts mock draft is more than welcome.
Luka wrote:
It was a lottery-protected pick traded to Nets for Terrence Williams and then to Hawks for Joe Johnson. In the second round, they'll either draft and stash, or pick a scoring guard (Glen Rice Jr.) or a big man (Mike Muscala). I think both of them won't be available by 34., but they fit the profile perfectly. Alex Abrines may be a good option to stash for a few years, his draft position is all over the place, though.
ESPN Insider: Ranking Prospects By Tier
Spoiler:
Is there a consensus No. 1 prospect in this year's draft? Is there a consensus anything in this year's draft?
Of course, the word "consensus" is a bit of a joke. We are a week away from the draft and there are still major debates running internally within every front office in the league. If teams can't agree, internally, on the order of draft prospects, how can we create a "consensus" ranking? As hard as it is for NBA draftniks to believe, there is very little agreement within teams, let alone between them, on draft night.
This year is especially difficult. There aren't any elite players at the top of the draft and then there is enormous parity from the late lottery to the early second round. Many prospects are all over the board. I've been doing this a long time, and I've never seen so little agreement so close to the draft. Obviously, the draft is an inexact science, despite concerted attempts to create analytical models that are more predictive of a player's future success. I've read through a number of those models, and they don't agree on anything either.
NBA teams watch prospects play thousands of hours of games. They go to practices. Go to camps. Hire guys from MIT to create statistical solutions. Work out players, give them psychological tests, do background checks and conduct personal interviews. And still, there is very little consensus. Factor in the debate between taking the best player available versus filling team needs, and the situation muddies itself further.
To make sense of all of this, the past few years I've chronicled a draft ranking system employed by several teams called the tier system.
In the tier system, teams group players, based on overall talent, into tiers. Then the teams rank the players in each tier based on team need. This system allows teams to draft not only the best player available, but also the player who best fits a team's individual needs.
So what do the tiers look like this year? After talking to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, here is how the tiers look this year.
(Note: Players are listed alphabetically in each tier.)
_______________
Tier 1
Players: None
Note: This category is usually reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars and franchise players. Since 2009, only Blake Griffin, John Wall and Anthony Davis have been ranked in this slot. This year, there just isn't anyone who looks like a "sure-fire" anything.
_______________
Tier 2
Players: None
Note: Tier 2 is reserved for players who are projected as potential All-Stars by scouts. They are typical high lottery picks in a normal draft. Last year Bradley Beal, Harrison Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist all got the nod as Tier 2 players. In 2011, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams were in this tier.
This year, I couldn't get a majority of teams to project anyone in this draft as a potential All-Star. Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore and Anthony Bennett all got a vote or two from teams that had them in Tier 2. But the overwhelming majority of teams I talked to had these players all ranked as Tier 3 prospects. This is the first draft tiers column I've ever done where there no players ranked in Tier 2.
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Tier 3
Players: Anthony Bennett Alex Len Ben McLemore Nerlens Noel Victor Oladipo Otto Porter Jr.
Note: These are the top six guys in the draft. Noel, Bennett and McLemore each received a small amount of votes for Tier 2, but the majority of teams I spoke with had them in Tier 3. This is one of the very few places in the draft that you'll find consensus. While there are a few exceptions, there's a very good chance that these six players will be the first six players to hear their names called on draft night. Teams have these six ordered differently depending on team needs or whether they are looking for immediate help or upside, but every team I spoke with had these six as their top six in some order.
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Tier 4
Players: Steven Adams Trey Burke Michael Carter-Williams Kentavious Caldwell-Pope C.J. McCollum Cody Zeller
Note: After Tier 3, the consensus breaks down pretty quickly. These are typical late-lottery to mid-first-round selections in a normal draft -- selections 10-20. In this draft this group is more likely to be drafted in the 7-14 range. Trey Burke, C.J. McCollum and Michael Carter-Williams got a small number of votes for Tier 3. But the majority of teams had them ranked in Tier 4. Zeller was ranked in Tier 4 by every team I spoke with. Caldwell-Pope and Adams had some Tier 5 votes, but the majority were in Tier 4.
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Tier 5
Players: Giannis Antetokounmpo Reggie Bullock Isaiah Canaan Allen Crabbe Gorgui Dieng Jamaal Franklin Rudy Gobert Archie Goodwin Erick Green Tim Hardaway Jr. Pierre Jackson Sergey Karasev Shane Larkin Ricardo Ledo C.J. Leslie Tony Mitchell Shabazz Muhammad Mike Muscala Lucas Nogueira Kelly Olynyk Mason Plumlee Glen Rice Jr. Dennis Schroeder Tony Snell Jeff Withey Nate Wolters
Note: This next group is the largest Tier 5 I've ever had, and it shows where the strength of the draft is. There is incredible depth here, and it's not uncommon to hear teams say that the player you draft at No. 35 might be as good as the player you get at No. 15. There is a whopping 25 players in this group. At least seven of these players won't hear their names called in the first round.
A few teams had Antetokounmpo, Karasev, Muhammad and Nogueira in Tier 4, but not quite enough for them to make the cut. Interestingly, Ledo got two votes for Tier 4 and is a guy who clearly has been impressing people in workouts.
_______________
Tier 6
Players: Alex Abrines Lorenzo Brown Jackie Carmichael James Ennis Colton Iverson Livio Jean-Charles Grant Jerrett Myck Kabongo Ray McCallum Nemanja Nedovic Phil Pressey Andre Roberson B.J. Young
Note: This tier has the players who were listed as top 60 prospects by the majority of the teams I spoke with. Of the group, only Abrines, Jerrett and Pressey got some Tier 5 votes.
_______________
Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect. But the teams that run it have had success with it. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it has proven to be a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:15 pm
I have no idea who the "prospects" are. People saying that this year picks 2-15 are the same value, so I'm not gonna even try guessing.
Bounce
Govou_
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:18 pm
As long as you're able to use a copy/paste you're fine. It's a random guess for most part 1-5 and 6-20. 20-30 are random generated names.
#dontBother
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:33 pm
I'm rooting for MICHAEL CARTER-WILLIAMS to go to Bobcats and play with MKG. MCW to MKG.....aaand he misses.
Or this Cuntavius Ballwell Pope fella.
Jesus Swagglesworth
LeoVuittonDon
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:39 pm
I will post round 1 later & round 2 at a separate time
I will have greatest mock draft ever
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:41 pm
Jesus Swagglesworth wrote:
I will post round 1 later & round 2 at a separate time
I will have greatest mock draft ever
I don't doubt this for a second -Bryan
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:45 pm
How come this Shazam Mo. guy rate so low, last year everyone was saying that he's top 3 worst case scenario? Next Perry Jones?
Jesus Swagglesworth
LeoVuittonDon
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:49 pm
Shabazz had an awful year. Some kind of off court troubles and he's a college bust.. It would be a tragedy if a guy that can't even do well in college goes top 3
Now that I think about it, only do 1 round imo
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:52 pm
Makes $cents
Bounce
Govou_
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:04 pm
It didn't help that LA Times reported Shabazz was a year older than what his birth certificate said, because his dad tried to get any advantage possible for his son.
He had a disappointing year, but the whole UCLA program has been a mess last couple years. IMO he'll be available when Sixers draft 11th... and pass on him.
Luka
TornadoZadar
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:09 pm
He's going to Celtics at 16th pick.
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:11 pm
Rockets got no picks in the first round, was gonna say Lucas Nogueira would make sense.
Luka
TornadoZadar
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:20 pm
It was a lottery-protected pick traded to Nets for Terrence Williams and then to Hawks for Joe Johnson. In the second round, they'll either draft and stash, or pick a scoring guard (Glen Rice Jr.) or a big man (Mike Muscala). I think both of them won't be available by 34., but they fit the profile perfectly. Alex Abrines may be a good option to stash for a few years, his draft position is all over the place, though.
ESPN Insider: Ranking Prospects By Tier
Spoiler:
Is there a consensus No. 1 prospect in this year's draft? Is there a consensus anything in this year's draft?
Of course, the word "consensus" is a bit of a joke. We are a week away from the draft and there are still major debates running internally within every front office in the league. If teams can't agree, internally, on the order of draft prospects, how can we create a "consensus" ranking? As hard as it is for NBA draftniks to believe, there is very little agreement within teams, let alone between them, on draft night.
This year is especially difficult. There aren't any elite players at the top of the draft and then there is enormous parity from the late lottery to the early second round. Many prospects are all over the board. I've been doing this a long time, and I've never seen so little agreement so close to the draft. Obviously, the draft is an inexact science, despite concerted attempts to create analytical models that are more predictive of a player's future success. I've read through a number of those models, and they don't agree on anything either.
NBA teams watch prospects play thousands of hours of games. They go to practices. Go to camps. Hire guys from MIT to create statistical solutions. Work out players, give them psychological tests, do background checks and conduct personal interviews. And still, there is very little consensus. Factor in the debate between taking the best player available versus filling team needs, and the situation muddies itself further.
To make sense of all of this, the past few years I've chronicled a draft ranking system employed by several teams called the tier system.
In the tier system, teams group players, based on overall talent, into tiers. Then the teams rank the players in each tier based on team need. This system allows teams to draft not only the best player available, but also the player who best fits a team's individual needs.
So what do the tiers look like this year? After talking to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, here is how the tiers look this year.
(Note: Players are listed alphabetically in each tier.)
_______________
Tier 1
Players: None
Note: This category is usually reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars and franchise players. Since 2009, only Blake Griffin, John Wall and Anthony Davis have been ranked in this slot. This year, there just isn't anyone who looks like a "sure-fire" anything.
_______________
Tier 2
Players: None
Note: Tier 2 is reserved for players who are projected as potential All-Stars by scouts. They are typical high lottery picks in a normal draft. Last year Bradley Beal, Harrison Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist all got the nod as Tier 2 players. In 2011, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams were in this tier.
This year, I couldn't get a majority of teams to project anyone in this draft as a potential All-Star. Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore and Anthony Bennett all got a vote or two from teams that had them in Tier 2. But the overwhelming majority of teams I talked to had these players all ranked as Tier 3 prospects. This is the first draft tiers column I've ever done where there no players ranked in Tier 2.
_______________
Tier 3
Players: Anthony Bennett Alex Len Ben McLemore Nerlens Noel Victor Oladipo Otto Porter Jr.
Note: These are the top six guys in the draft. Noel, Bennett and McLemore each received a small amount of votes for Tier 2, but the majority of teams I spoke with had them in Tier 3. This is one of the very few places in the draft that you'll find consensus. While there are a few exceptions, there's a very good chance that these six players will be the first six players to hear their names called on draft night. Teams have these six ordered differently depending on team needs or whether they are looking for immediate help or upside, but every team I spoke with had these six as their top six in some order.
_______________
Tier 4
Players: Steven Adams Trey Burke Michael Carter-Williams Kentavious Caldwell-Pope C.J. McCollum Cody Zeller
Note: After Tier 3, the consensus breaks down pretty quickly. These are typical late-lottery to mid-first-round selections in a normal draft -- selections 10-20. In this draft this group is more likely to be drafted in the 7-14 range. Trey Burke, C.J. McCollum and Michael Carter-Williams got a small number of votes for Tier 3. But the majority of teams had them ranked in Tier 4. Zeller was ranked in Tier 4 by every team I spoke with. Caldwell-Pope and Adams had some Tier 5 votes, but the majority were in Tier 4.
_______________
Tier 5
Players: Giannis Antetokounmpo Reggie Bullock Isaiah Canaan Allen Crabbe Gorgui Dieng Jamaal Franklin Rudy Gobert Archie Goodwin Erick Green Tim Hardaway Jr. Pierre Jackson Sergey Karasev Shane Larkin Ricardo Ledo C.J. Leslie Tony Mitchell Shabazz Muhammad Mike Muscala Lucas Nogueira Kelly Olynyk Mason Plumlee Glen Rice Jr. Dennis Schroeder Tony Snell Jeff Withey Nate Wolters
Note: This next group is the largest Tier 5 I've ever had, and it shows where the strength of the draft is. There is incredible depth here, and it's not uncommon to hear teams say that the player you draft at No. 35 might be as good as the player you get at No. 15. There is a whopping 25 players in this group. At least seven of these players won't hear their names called in the first round.
A few teams had Antetokounmpo, Karasev, Muhammad and Nogueira in Tier 4, but not quite enough for them to make the cut. Interestingly, Ledo got two votes for Tier 4 and is a guy who clearly has been impressing people in workouts.
_______________
Tier 6
Players: Alex Abrines Lorenzo Brown Jackie Carmichael James Ennis Colton Iverson Livio Jean-Charles Grant Jerrett Myck Kabongo Ray McCallum Nemanja Nedovic Phil Pressey Andre Roberson B.J. Young
Note: This tier has the players who were listed as top 60 prospects by the majority of the teams I spoke with. Of the group, only Abrines, Jerrett and Pressey got some Tier 5 votes.
_______________
Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect. But the teams that run it have had success with it. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it has proven to be a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.
Jesus Swagglesworth
LeoVuittonDon
Subject: 2 Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:31 pm
1. Cavs - Nerlens Noel 2. Magic - Ben McLemore 3. Wizards - Otto Porter Jr. 4. Bobcats - Victor Oladipo 5. Suns - Anthony Bennett 6. Pelicans - Alex Len 7. Kings - Trey Burke 8. Pistons - CJ McCollum 9. T'wolves - Shabazz Muhammad 10. Blazers - Cody Zeller 11. 76ers - Steven Adams 12. Thunder - Rudy Gobert 13. Mavs - Michael Carter-Williams 14. Jazz - Dennis Schroeder 15. Bucks - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 16. Celtics - Kelly Olynyk 17. Hawks - Gorgui Dieng 18. Hawks - Jamaal Franklin 19. Cavs - Sergey Karasev 20. Bulls - Jeff Withey 21. Jazz - Tim Hardaway Jr. 22. Nets - Giannis Antetokounmpo 23. Pacers - Allen Crabbe 24. Knicks - Shane Larkin 25. Clippers - Tony Mitchell 26. T'wolves - Lucas Nogueira 27. Nuggets - Reggie Bullock 28. Spurs - Glen Rice Jr 29. Thunder - Mouhammadou Jaiteh 30. Suns - Ricky Ledo
swaggy mock draft v1.0 beta, subject to change at any time etc
Bryan
Lorde NHL TU DD Leroy
Nibblesfly
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 pm
I'll post my first round tonight or tomorrow. The game will likely have me depressed tonight so I'll have plenty of time.
I draft McLemore @ 14 in my offline ass with the Heat and got Shabazz @ 35. Both are great and rotational players. Also traded LeBron and DWade away in separate deals for Eric Gordon and Kevin Love respectfully.
Jesus Swagglesworth
LeoVuittonDon
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:49 pm
So Shabazz, McLemore & Gordon on the same team?
:KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN:
Bryan
Lorde NHL TU DD Leroy
Nibblesfly
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:00 pm
Since Ray Ray, Tinsley, and Fisher all retired after winning the title I had to reload my back court. With reigning MVP Royce White in the fold that made DWade and LeBron expendable. So we got some cap flexibility and added shooting douches.
5-0 in year 2. Haven't played TU in about 4 days. :steph2:
Bryan
Lorde NHL TU DD Leroy
Nibblesfly
Subject: 1 Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:44 pm
This mock draft is a bitch btw. I'd be begging someone to trade with me after the top 7 or so. I'd gladly trade the 10th pick for cash considerations and a 2030 pick at this juncture.
Bounce
Govou_
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:52 pm
1. Cavs - Nerlens Noel 2. Magic - Ben McLemore 3. Wizards - Otto Porter Jr. 4. Bobcats - Anthony Bennett ... 29. Thunder - Christian Watford
will post the rest once I figure out how to rank a bunch of role players
"Hi I am John Wallball"
Ante
TheMindfulOne
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:44 pm
LMAO
^^ (inb4 Leroy says:"Greatest tatoo in history of mankind etc...")
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:34 pm
1. Cleveland Cavaliers - Nerlens Noel 2. Orlando Magic - Ben Mclemore 3. Washington Wizards - Otto Porter 4. Charlotte Bobcats - Alex Len 5. Phoenix Suns - Victor Oladipo 6. New Orleans Pelicans - Trey Burke 7. Sacramento Kings - Anthony Bennett 8. Detroit Pistons - C.J.Mcollum 9. Minnesota Timberwolves - Cody Zeller 10. Portland Trail Blazers - Steven Adams
So far... 11. Philadelphia 76ers - 12. Oklahoma City Thunder - 13. Dallas Mavericks 14. Utah Jazz 15. Milwaukee Bucks 16. Boston Celtics 17. Atlanta Hawks 18. Atlanta Hawks 19. Cleveland Cavaliers 20. Chicago Bulls 21. Utah Jazz 22. Brooklyn Nets 23. Indiana Pacers 24. New York Knicks 25. Los Angeles Clippers 26. Minnesota Timberwolves 27. Denver Nuggets 28. San Antonio Spurs 29. Oklahoma City Thunder 30. Phoenix Suns
I want him as a Pelican ...
Luka
TornadoZadar
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:00 pm
James Gandolfini should've murdered Dan Fegan before he passed away. The biggest money-loving douchebag in the world.
My draft board would be relatively easy to make if I knew who the Bobcats will pick. Alex Len will either go 4th or 6th (if the Cavs don't make another big reach, which is quite possible), but Bennett could slide all the way to Pistons.
Ante
TheMindfulOne
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:06 pm
I couldn't catch it live a few weeks ago, so I'm watching it today...
CRAX!!!
goldielox69
Subject: Re: NBA Offseason 2013 Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:26 pm
DMC is insane, he'll get a max I think. Then he'll get even fatter and fatter....
Perfect scenario would be DMC and Wall on the same team coached by a nice guy without balls, that would be a fun disaster to watch.
Subject: NBA Offseason 2013 
Fri May 17, 2013 3:28 pm
Lorde 
^^ (inb4 Leroy says:"Greatest tatoo in history of mankind etc...")
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